jo_anne
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Australian tourists visiting Bali's nightspots will face random urine tests under an escalating anti-drugs crackdown on the Indonesian holiday island.
Bali police drug squad chief Bambang Sugiarto told The Sun-Herald he would adopt the hardline tactic, controversially trialled in recent raids on Jakarta clubs, to stamp out the drug trade.
"We tried to use educative and preventive efforts," he said. "So, after doing that, and the people still use drugs, since we have laws to uphold then we have to take action like launching raids, arrests."
His men would now force clubbers to undergo urine tests, Colonel Sugiarto said. "We cannot go to every party but we go in at random and based on priorities."
Previously, only patrons apprehended carrying drugs were forced to provide urine samples.
Sydney model Michelle Leslie, 24, faces up to 15 years in jail after being caught with two ecstasy tablets in her bag as she entered a party at Kuta's GWK Park last weekend.
After visiting her in prison yesterday, her new lawyer, Basuki Prawirodipuro, was confident but had not studied the case in detail.
He is one of a team of five Indonesian lawyers who specialise in drug cases. He was hired by Leslie's family following Friday's sacking or resignation of her former lawyer, Muhammad Rifan.
At the Denpasar police cells, where Leslie is still being questioned, a friend yesterday said she was in good spirits.
Leslie would be fully prosecuted, Colonel Sugiarto said. "It is again a lesson for our tourists . . . she regrets it, but it is too late, it happened already."
Australia's ambassador to Indonesia, David Ritchie refused to comment on the urine test plans, but emphasised that no Australian should take drugs in Indonesia.
Although Australians were not being specifically targeted, they risked being arrested and could face the death penalty for the possession of small amounts of recreational drugs, he said
Sydney Morning Herald
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Penelope
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Reged: Apr 29 2004
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I wonder if that will stop the fools from using/taking drugs or the "it wasn't me" defense we constantly hear. 
My guess is probably not 
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Garry
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I agree, Penelope, and the 'it wasn't me' is unfortunately symptomatic of some parenting nowadays where kids/teenagers are constantly 'rescued' from the consequences of their actions, aren't encouraged to be responsible or accept responsibility and put the blame on something/someone else.
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Baliku
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Reged: Mar 06 2004
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Loc: Too far from Bali :-(
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My guess is probably not
I think you have made a GOOD guess there.
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worths
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Reged: Jan 07 2005
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Loc: Gold Coast
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Had to laugh. The 18y.o wants to know how they are going to force her to pee into a bottle. Ahhhhh. don't you just love it.
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mrmadonbali
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Reged: Oct 17 2003
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Loc: Melbourne,Vic, Aus
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I also Agree with what they are trying to do but lets hope it does'nt stop there and they stop the people selling as well .You know what they say take away the temptaion and the need is not there .
Albert
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Jobes
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Reged: Jun 18 2004
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Loc: Melbourne, Australia
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I agree, Penelope, and the 'it wasn't me' is unfortunately symptomatic of some parenting nowadays where kids/teenagers are constantly 'rescued' from the consequences of their actions, aren't encouraged to be responsible or accept responsibility and put the blame on something/someone else.
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Matrix
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Funny about that.. Just got off the phone with a friend who is also a Bali fanatic and was complaining about the situation..
I guess, with being hassel from street vendors, time share, Licence check and others, that's the las thing that people need.
i think that they will do better by posting themselves at Rav parties and other venues, instead of stopping everyone on the street.
No Impressed.. 
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cerri1975
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Reged: Aug 08 2005
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Loc: Sydney/Bali
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I think if you look into it the police are actually breaking the law unless they catch you with something on you than they cant ask for urine test etc the laws are very similar in someways to Australia.
I THINK ITS MORE A SCARE TACTIC SO YOU WILL ADMIT TO DRUG TAKING THEN THEY HAVE GOT YOU !!!!!!
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cerri1975
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Reged: Aug 08 2005
Posts: 68
Loc: Sydney/Bali
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Anyway if you do get busted refuse to pee and if you have taken E drink alot orange juice the acid will kill traces in your uirne !!!!!!
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Matrix
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Reged: Mar 25 2003
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Loc: South Of Hanging Rock
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I think if you look into it the police are actually breaking the law unless they catch you with something on you than they cant ask for urine test etc the laws are very similar in someways to Australia.
I THINK ITS MORE A SCARE TACTIC SO YOU WILL ADMIT TO DRUG TAKING THEN THEY HAVE GOT YOU !!!!!!
Now.. As you mentioned Australia 
Indonesia , is a different thing all together....
You can get upset about it, you can jump up and down.. But unfortunately that's the way it is..
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Mack
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I hope they don't test for the other drug BINTANG???
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lizabella174
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Reged: Apr 21 2005
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Loc: Perth
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what concerns me is... what about people who might take pain medication - like mersyndol, nurofen plus...surely this will show up in drug tests! Will having a packet handy be enough to prove that you haven't taken anything illicit???
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Jobes
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Reged: Jun 18 2004
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Loc: Melbourne, Australia
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Anyway if you do get busted refuse to pee and if you have taken E drink alot orange juice the acid will kill traces in your uirne !!!!!!
that is as big a crock of sh.ite as "if you're getting pulled up at a booze bus drink water so there's nothing in your mouth". Ecstasy is highly detectable up to a week after taking it no matter what you drink. Besides, I reckon anyone grabbed in Bali under suspicion of possession they'd just be catching the pee trickling down their leg.
Here's a better tip; don't be a drug taking loser and you can pee freely and answer any questions the authorities want to ask!! 
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jo_anne
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Loc: Down Under
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Anyway if you do get busted refuse to pee
Ask Alex said, Indonesian laws are very different and i don't think you are given the choice whether to pee or not to pee.
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Bluey
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Reged: Nov 23 2002
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They have to be joking.How would you like your urine sample to be handled by the police? We are talking about the 3rd most currupt country in the world.As Lance Armstrong said who would let a French lab (who hate the Yanks) test his urine.This will back fire big time. Nobody in their right mind will be letting their kids go to Bali. This is very scary stuf. Wait untill the Australian press get hold of this story  Bluey
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Renno_Queen
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Reged: Dec 17 2003
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Loc: Wollongong, Oz
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ah...... to pee or not to pee - that is the question.......
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jo_anne
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Loc: Down Under
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I really don't think they will just pick on anyone randomly, i'd say they will be targeting a certain crowd.
Besides aren't they now conducting random drug tests on drivers in Victoria that are stopped by the "Booze Bus" i don't think we have much say here either
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jo_anne
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Reged: Aug 20 2002
Posts: 10134
Loc: Down Under
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Cerri you seem to think you know Australia's laws the below may interest you
illegal to refuse
Currently police can haul any driver they suspect of using drugs off to hospital for a blood test
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Funkee_Monkey
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Reged: Oct 15 2002
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Loc: Bali
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I find it strange that they think Australians are the only tourists in Bali ...
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jo_anne
Carpal Tunnel
Reged: Aug 20 2002
Posts: 10134
Loc: Down Under
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They seem to be the majority who are populating Bali's jails lately
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jo_anne
Carpal Tunnel
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Posts: 10134
Loc: Down Under
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This from The Jakarta Post this morning may clear up some misconceptions.
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Ewok
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On the news last night the head of the Bali drug squad, stated that in the past 12 months approx 260 people had been arrested for drugs on the island, but only 13 (if i remeber correctly) where australians.
as for pulling people out of a croud to do a urine test, its not uncommon, they have been using that practice in jakarta for some time now.
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nikster
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The part I dont understand is if they make you pee and it shows that you have drugs in your system how can they charge you with anything if they dont find anything on your body?
What if your drink was spiked - what if you have taken drugs in Australia before you had gone on holiday?
BTW dont think that I am condoning drug use at all as I am totally against it but these questions just came to mind.
Like I said to my mother - if they try it on me in 5 weeks time then all they will get is a straight sample of Bintang!
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Penelope
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Reged: Apr 29 2004
Posts: 1262
Loc: Newcastle area NSW
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What if your drink was spiked - what if you have taken drugs in Australia before you had gone on holiday?
Good questions , no idea what the answers are though 
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Big_Sausa
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Reged: May 12 2005
Posts: 332
Loc: Queensland
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Well im with Bluey on this one , they have to be joking . As most of us agree that the drugs are a major problem in indo the authorities should target the sellers first . To randomly pick out people and subject them to urine test is about as scary as it comes . Im sure most the users purchase their product in Bali , so why not go after the local pushers / sellers big time . No product - No problem . The logistics with their proposal could be horrendous for many innocent people who might have taken prescription drugs etc, let alone the possible corruption with the samples . I hope this one does not affect tourism but i think it just might be a little off putting for some people . On my trip to Bali in April i was approached at least 10 times to purchase drugs and when i declined i was asked by one of them Quote : "why not , why do u come to bali if you dont to have a good time . " . But anyway im going back in December for 2 weeks.
Regards G 
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260159
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Reged: Dec 28 2002
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I agree, Penelope, and the 'it wasn't me' is unfortunately symptomatic of some parenting nowadays where kids/teenagers are constantly 'rescued' from the consequences of their actions, aren't encouraged to be responsible or accept responsibility and put the blame on something/someone else.
Completely agree Garry, our generatiom have done our kids sich a disservice by not not teaching them to stand by their actions. You only have to see kids sports...its always the umps fault!
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260159
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Reged: Dec 28 2002
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But as Eva said we've been random testing for years...if it ain't in your system why worry??
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Lloydy
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Reged: Oct 21 2002
Posts: 713
Loc: Melb, Australia
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Imagine handling a $100 us bill in Bali then having to do the test and it shows signs of Cocaine on you.
How do you get out of that?
Those Test show up anything and if they have the Radar Detector like they use at Airports the tiniest spec comes up.
I like the No Tolerance Drug law sets a great example. Indonesia don’t do drugs.
In Australia i can go to any Bar and Club and get anything.
If i get caught. They take my name and i might get have to go to Court and get a $200 fine.
Its to easy here in Aus that’s why over 80% of people over 16-28 are using it or tried it. If we had that Law then im sure would be under 20%
Im against Drugs and have never tried but the Urine test will stop people going to Bali and is not a good guide.
Best way is to get a Radar that picks them up on entering Clubs then arrest the people with it on them. Not Urine tests.
Lloydy
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jo_anne
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Reged: Aug 20 2002
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Loc: Down Under
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I doubt it will stop people from going to Bali, that's virtually saying they only go there to do drugs
But as you said at least they are doing something about it and the penalties are more severe than the slap on the wrist you get here
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Lloydy
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Reged: Oct 21 2002
Posts: 713
Loc: Melb, Australia
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The reason i think it would as so many people here in Aus do Drugs and they might think its in their systym so they dont take the risk and go over. So many people dont believe how bad it is here in Aus. I hate going to work on Monday and Tuesday as half of my staff are coming down and very moody.
Other reason is Bad publicity and Corruption.
Even people i know now are talking about how easy it is for Cops to set you up and being in Bali what can you do about it.
Wont stop me going. But im sure Bali will suffer again.
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1960something
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You are right Lloydy. The only people that will suffer from this are the Balinese and their island. And to think that it has come to this through the downright stupidity of a few people. And if your test is positive are they just going to put you back on the plane and send you home or will you be handled under Indonesian law. When and where is it all going to stop so those people who know how to obey the law can have piece of mind and enjoy going to Bali for their holidays.
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hatch5
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mmmmmmm
For years I have been travelling to Bali.
I have had a friend arrested for possesion in th eearly 80's.
Was a set up...did his time then on returning to Aussie, was killed ina truck acCident 2 weeks later.
I have never actually been offered drugs in Bali.
I was always told by th elocals that if I was offered, to totally ignore, as alot of people were paid informants and even if you said no or maybe they would inform on you and BUSTED!!!!!!!!!
Yes Im sure it happens all over the world , but in Bali it's ILLEGAL.
Can't they go without it for 2 weeks........
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1960something
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Can't they go without it for 2 weeks........
Well Trace obviously some people can't. I have never touched the stuff and have never been offered drugs in Bali either. I just can't understand the mindset of these people that can behave the way they do with all the things that have happened previously. They must be totally nieve or just plain stupid. The laws need to be looked at in ALL countries but people need to remember, like you said, IN BALI ITS ILLEGAL.
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denill
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Reged: Jul 20 2001
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Loc: Napier, New Zealand
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Quote: Other reason is Bad publicity and Corruption.
Even people i know now are talking about how easy it is for Cops to set you up and being in Bali what can you do about it. Unquote
This one has really got me worried.
And why not, when the same Cops pull up Tourists and take their money - whether they have broken the law, or not!!
P*ss a Cop off and next thing you (or I) will be doing just that, in a little bottle. 
The draconian measures are not being kind to the Balinese who rely on Tourists.
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scottches
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If some Bali copper approached me in a club and asked for my urine in a bottle I would just laugh at him - thinking he was just trying to take the piss out of me
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nikster
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Classic Scottches!!
Best laugh I have had all day 
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jo_anne
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Loc: Down Under
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Scottches i doubt they'd approach you they'd be too worried about getting spiked by that hair of yours
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ChocolateDemon
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Reged: Dec 05 2002
Posts: 436
Loc: Dubai
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gee, where to start on this one....
targeting Australians....most of what I have heard so far is indicating that many Europeans are also getting themselves into strife....
targeting people on the street....the police are not here just stopping people walking along the street shopping or spending time with families....they are targeting the nightclubs and outdoor raves which is what anyone wanting to catch drug takers would do....
now I'm not saying that I would like to give a sample but thats the way it is here and if thats what I have to do then so be it....you come to a country and you follow its rules....Its clear enough that drugs are out of the question here and if people are that silly then they only have themselves to blame...
drink spiking....people (especially girls) shouldnt leave their drinks at any time with anyone whether it be here or in Australia...its asking for trouble....
orange juice....you must be kidding....lets say no more....
well, I will be off now....heading to the Bali clubs this weekend....if I see anything of interest I will keep you informed....
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Jobes
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Reged: Jun 18 2004
Posts: 8451
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
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they are targeting the nightclubs and outdoor raves which is what anyone wanting to catch drug takers would do....
lets face it, if we had a system that was interested in catching drug users &/or pushers and one to back it up by prosecuting them that's where they'd hang out with vials here too. The media are missing it, surely Indonesia couldn't possibly be more progressive than us with this new stance
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ReikiMan
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In all honesty folks, I'd be more than happy to give the police a urine sample if asked................it would save me from taking the long walk to the loo and losing my spot at the bar
The only concern I have is.................do you get in trouble if your aim is off and you pee on the nice policeman? 
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Jobes
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Reged: Jun 18 2004
Posts: 8451
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
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just a wee bit
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ReikiMan
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Reged: Oct 04 2004
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So I'd be in a pickle
with my wonky trickle
if I had to pee in a cup
thus I can only dream
that when they ask for my stream
they have a mop, and a bucket....or such.
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1960something
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I arrived in Bali the other day
Got through immigration and I was on my way
But alas I was stopped by a man with a key
Who said Please Sir can you follow me.
He unlocked a door and asked me to stand
And then he put a small cup in my hand
Can we please have a sample in this here cup
But please don't try to fill it right up.
I wondered what was happening and I was filled with gloom
When the man reappeared and entered the room
Now we go and get this tested and obtain your results
But you'll be OK - its negative OF COURSE????
Couldn't let ReikiMan do poetry without offering something myself....Takes me back to the Tanah Lot loo days mate....
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ReikiMan
Master
Reged: Oct 04 2004
Posts: 4221
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The police asked "sir, do you do drugs"?
to which I answered "Nah they're for mugs"
when they got me to pee
they just couldn't see
how I managed to fill three jugs.
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1960something
Unregistered
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We have to stop now......One reason is that it is taking me back to another post....and secondly I will get into trouble for talking shite again...... 
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